Born in Kirkby
My father, Royle Drew, was born in Kirkby on 17 June 1932. However, Free BMD have this in the next quarter, i.e. to September 1932 which presumably means the family registered his birth in July.
Less Documentary Background
I have much less documentary background about dad’s early life, and his family, than I do about mum . What I have noted here is largely from my own memory and available Internet sources, such as FreeBMD and FindmyPast. I also made a trip to Kirkby with dad in 2010, the year before he died. He wanted to find and visit his grandparents’ grave which we managed to do. I have some photographs from that trip. I also have photos from a later, more recent, trip in August 2023.
My Grandfather – Charles (Charlie) Arthur Drew
My dad’s father was also Charles (Charlie). His middle name was Arthur.
Born 1900 and Died 1970
According to his gravestone, he died on 7 March 1970 aged 69 years, which means he would have been born in 1900 after March 7th. Based on FreeBMD, Charles Arthur Drew was born in Mansfield in the quarter ending June 1900 and he died, in Mansfield, in the quarter ending March 1970. That entry records his date of birth as 16 May 1900. This means he was 69 when he died. This ties in with what I recall dad telling me and why dad was particularly happy when he reached his 70th birthday!
Married Alice Randall in 1931
According to Free BMD, Charles A Drew married Alice Randall in the quarter ending December 1931 in Basford.
Baptised in 1900
I have also found details of his baptism at St John the Evangelist, Mansfield on 19 June 1900.
Living in Mansfield
At the time of his baptism, the family’s lived at 6 Carlton Terr. I have found a Carlton Street but not a Carlton Terrace.
Living in Kirkby with His Sisters Lilian and Ida
Charles Drew also appears in the 1921, 1922 and 1924 electoral registers living at 76 Edward Street in Kirkby with Edgar and Lilian Hufton. The 1921 census confirms this. I believe this was grandad’s sister and her husband. They married in 1913. He reappears in the 1931 electoral register living at 72 Diamond Avenue with Arthur and Ida Derrick. Grandad had an aunt and a sister called Ida. However, this is probably grandad’s sister. Ida Derrick is listed as a linked person in relation to Frederick Lewis Drew in 1922. According to FreeBMD, an Ida Drew married an Arthur F Derrick in Q3 of 1921.
My grandfather, Charles Drew, worked as a coal miner. I always assumed he worked at Summit Colliery because I know for certain he was a coal miner and he lived in Alexandra Street. But, miners who lived in Kirkby also worked in other collieries. So, it is possible he worked elsewhere. The 1939 register lists him as a Colliery Yard Labourer. This implies he might, at least at that time, have worked above ground. But, the 1921 census lists him as a coal miner (hewer).
Frederick Lewis Drew
My grandfather’s parents’ names were Frederick Lewis and Mary Anne. According to his gravestone, Frederick Lewis died on 9 December 1921 aged 55. Free BMD records him as having died in Basford. According to probate records, he had been living at 3 Diamond Avenue at the time of his death. He worked as a railway engine driver. Probate was granted to Ida Derrick, who I believe was his daughter. The value of his effects was £427 14 5.
Born in Weymouth?
The only Frederick L Drew born in the right period (circa 1866) was born in Weymouth in Q4 1866. His mother’s maiden name was Aldon. I also found details of Frederick’s baptism in Portland on 7 October 1866.
Married in 1885
Frederick Lewis Drew married Mary Ann Nolan in Wandsworth in Q1 1885. I vaguely recollect dad mentioning the name Nolan in discussions about family history although, in this record, her middle name is spelled without an “e”.
Living in Mansfield in 1901 and in Kirkby in 1911
I have found more details of the family in the 1901 and 1911 censuses. In 1901, they lived at 6 Commercial Street Carlton Terrace in Mansfield and by 1911 in Marlborough Road, East Kirkby. The parents were Frederick L/Fred Lewis Drew, a railway engine driver, who had been born in Portland, Dorset in 1866 (1864 in the 1911 census) and Mary A Drew, who had been born in Kennington Surrey in 1862 or 1863.
Frederick and Mary Had Other Children
They had five children, Percy R (b1888), Lilian Frances (b1891 and working as a boot factory clerk in 1911), Elsie Gladys (b1896 and working as a mantle maker’s assistant in 1911), Ida (b1899) and grandad – Charles Arthur (b1900 – 1901 according to 1911 census).
Mary Anne Drew (nee Nolan)
According to her gravestone, Mary Anne died on 3 September 1915 aged 52. From Free BMD, she died in Nottingham. It appears that her maiden name was Nolan and she married Frederick in 1885 in Wandsworth. Although I believe, based on census records, that she was born in Surrey in 1862 or 1863, I have struggled to find confirmation of this.
The house, owned by the Coal Board, was part of what was known as a colliery row. This housing was built by the Butterley Company in the late 1890s. In 1947, the National Coal Board took over the running of around 140,000 such houses including those at the Summit. From the 1980s, the houses were sold off to miners and housing associations. According to Zoopla, this house is currently valued at £136,000. It was sold in 2004 for £65,000, in 2007 for £88,000, in 2012 for £94,000 and, in 2015, for £105,000. It is listed as a freehold, semi-detached house.
I recall visiting grandma in the house, which still had an outside toilet, although I think at some point it also had an inside bathroom. I recall it having a long garden and dad saying that they kept pigs there. Also, I recall him saying that they took down the garden fences so the home guard could have drills during the Second World War.
My Recollections of My Grandfather
I don’t know much about my grandfather. I vaguely recall him but he died when I was nine from lung complications of mining and probably smoking. Dad told me that he had been “a tramp” and he may have been in a workhouse as he was very reluctant to go to hospital when he was ill because it had previously been the workhouse. This may relate to Mansfield Community Hospital. He was a stubborn man. Dad told the story of helping grandma getting some benefits after grandad died. The benefits officer said something along the lines that grandma could have got some benefits while grandad had been alive to which grandma replied that that was not the case. The benefits officer said something like, “Mrs Drew, I think I know the benefits system”, to which grandma replied “…and I think I knew my husband!!”
My Grandmother – Alice Drew
Dad’s mother’s name was Alice. This is the only forename on her gravestone.
Born in 1899 and Died in 1989
From her gravestone, she died on 30 April 1989. She is buried in New Kingsway cemetery and I found details of her burial online. She died at Loxley Lodge in Kirkby aged 89 and was buried on 4 May 1989. This means she was born sometime between April 1899 and April 1900. By tracking the date of her death on Free BMD, this gives her date of birth as 2 May 1899 so she died just before her 90th birthday. This date of birth is confirmed in the 1939 register.
Alice Redfin (or Redfern)
Free BMD has details of an Alice Redfin born in Nottingham in Q2 1899. There is some doubt over whether her maiden name was Redfin or Redfern. I vaguely recall dad telling me about this variation in name. Different versions are recorded in Free BMD, e.g. Redfern for Eva’s birth and Redfin for Joyce’s and Denis’.
From the 1901 and 1911 censuses, it appears that Alice lived with her family at 5 Churchill Street, Nottingham in 1901 and at 16 Prospect Street in Kirkby by 1911. Her father, John (b1871/2 in Twycross, Leicestershire) was a coal miner (hewer) and her mother’s name was May/Mary (b1873/4 in Griffydam, Leicestershire).
Alice had three brothers, John (b1896), Harold (b1904) and Albert (b1907) and three sisters, Annie Lydia (b1897), Mary Elizabeth (b1902) and Ivy Maud (b1909). In 1911, her brother, John, worked as a grocer’s assistant and the census listed her sister, Annie, as a “worker tin mnt”. From Free BMD, John Redfin married in Basford in Q1 1895. It appears that his wife’s maiden name may have been Mary Hurst. It appears that he may have died in 1939.
Alice First Married Charles Randall
Alice married grandad in 1931 but she had married before. She married Charles H Randall in Basford district in the quarter ending December 1919 but he died, aged 33, in the quarter ending December 1929.
Dad’s Half-Sisters and Brother
Alice had three children from her previous marriage. Eva M was born in Kirkby on 5 April 1920 so was some 12 years older than dad. Joyce was born three years later on 11 May 1923 and Denis J was born five years after that in the quarter ending March 1928. Denis was the closest in age to my dad, around four years older, and he was just over a year old when his father died.
I recall that one reason dad was passionate about the benefits provided by the welfare state was that my grandmother became a widow aged around 30, with three young children, and she was not entitled to any benefits because she was “young enough to work”. Dad’s view was that he never wanted to go back to that.
Eva and Her Family
By the time mum noticed dad, all his siblings had already married. Eva married John T H Stark in the quarter ending March 1940. By 1952, she had three children, Maureen, born in the quarter ending September 1940 Although Free BMD record her mother’s name as Ramdall, Nolan, born in the quarter ending December 1941, and Janet, born in the quarter ending December 1944. These names are vaguely familiar and they would have been my cousins. However, we were not close not least because they were 16-20 years older than me. Maureen and Janet were among mum’s bridesmaids when she and dad got married.
Joyce and Her Family
Joyce also married during the Second World War, in the quarter ending March 1943. Her husband was called Kenneth Dawn. She had one son, Terry, born in the quarter ending March 1944. Mum’s diary mentions him in February 1954, when he would have been nine or ten. He went with mum, dad, Margaret Varnam, Ken Roome and Geoffrey Cross to see “Cinderella” at Nottingham Ice Stadium.
Denis and His Family
Denis married Margaret Holmes in the quarter ending September 1952. They had children after this period. David C was born in the quarter ending March 1954, John D was born in the quarter ending September 1955, Jill D was born in the quarter ending December 1958 and Heather D in the quarter ending March 1964. David was born in Mansfield with all the others born in Kirkby. I have kept in touch with Jill and Heather sporadically over the years. In recent years, I attended the funeral of their mother and their brother, David, and they both came to mum’s funeral in 2019. As a child/teenager, I remember being a bit confused as we had two family friends/relatives called Jill and Heather. These were also the names of mum’s friend’s children, Dorothy Lofthouse.
Dad’s Unusual Name
People often asked dad how he came to have such an unusual first name, Royle. He never really answered except to say that grandma had chosen it and then she and the family (and mum) proceeded to call him Roy! Mum’s diary almost always refers to him as Roy. People always asked him about the spelling and insisted that the queen spelled it wrongly as “royal“! He was naturally delighted by the TV series, the Royle Family. Finally, someone had the spelling correct! When he lived in Birmingham, he formed a singing group with some members of Icknield Male Voice Choir and they were known as “The Royles”. Dad would have been delighted to have been described as a “very good English tenor”!